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Daniel Suelo: The Man Who Quit Money

丹尼尔·苏埃洛:那个放弃金钱的男人
2026-10-17 approximately 7 minutes B1
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Mike

Welcome back to Learn English with Podcasts! Sarah, quick question. Could you go a whole day without spending a single cent?欢迎回到 Learn English with Podcasts!Sarah,快问快答。你能一整天不花一分钱吗?

Sarah

A whole day? Easy. I could stay home, eat what is in the fridge, and not go anywhere. But a week? That would be hard.一整天?简单。我可以待在家,吃冰箱里的东西,哪也不去。但要是一星期?那就难了。

Mike

Okay, then imagine this. Not a week. Not a month. How about 16 years with no money at all?好,那想象一下。不是一星期,也不是一个月。整整16年,一分钱都没有,怎么样?

Sarah

No way. That cannot be real. People need money for food, for a home, for everything.不可能。那不可能是真的。人需要钱买吃的、住的地方,什么都得花钱。

Mike

It is real. His name is Daniel Suelo. He is an American, a former cook from a small town called Moab, in the state of Utah.是真的。他叫丹尼尔·苏埃洛,美国人,以前是厨师,来自犹他州一个叫莫阿布的小镇。

Sarah

Wait, a former cook? So he had a normal job and a normal life. What happened?等等,以前是厨师?所以他有过正常的工作和正常的生活。发生了什么?

Mike

In 2000, he made a big decision. He took his last $30, left it in a phone booth, and walked away for good.2000年,他做了一个重大决定。他拿着最后的30美元,放进一个公用电话亭,然后永远地离开了。

Sarah

He just left his money in a phone booth? For anyone to take? That is wild. Why would he do that?他就把钱留在电话亭里?谁想拿就拿?太疯狂了。他为什么这么做?

Mike

Here is the important part. He was not broke. He chose this. He did not lose his money. He gave it up on purpose.重点来了。他不是破产了。这是他自己的选择。他没有失去钱,他是故意放弃的。

Sarah

So he is not poor. He just decided to live without money. That is a very different story.所以他不穷。他只是决定不用钱生活。这完全是另一回事了。

Mike

Exactly. And where do you think he lives? Not in an apartment. He lives in caves in the desert canyons near Moab, close to a huge national park.没错。你猜他住哪?不是公寓。他住在莫阿布附近沙漠峡谷的洞穴里,紧挨着一个巨大的国家公园。

Sarah

Caves? Like, real caves in the rocks? That sounds hard and cold.洞穴?就是岩石里真的山洞?听起来又苦又冷。

Mike

Yes, real caves in the sandstone. He has used about a dozen of them over the years. He sleeps in a sleeping bag and keeps his things simple.对,砂岩里真实的洞穴。这些年他用过大约十几个。他睡在睡袋里,东西很少。

Sarah

Okay, but food. Everybody has to eat. Where does his food come from?好,但吃的呢。人人都得吃饭。他的食物从哪来?

Mike

Three ways. He picks wild food, like wild onions and berries. He takes food that shops throw away. And he accepts gifts from friends and even strangers.三种办法。他采野生的食物,比如野洋葱和浆果;他捡商店扔掉的食物;他还接受朋友甚至陌生人的赠予。

Sarah

Food that shops throw away. So, dumpster diving. And I heard he even eats roadkill. Is that true?商店扔掉的食物,那就是翻垃圾桶了。我还听说他甚至吃路上被撞死的动物。真的吗?

Mike

It is true. Roadkill means animals hit by cars on the road. He says he will not let good meat go to waste.是真的。Roadkill 就是指被车在路上撞死的动物。他说他不会让好好的肉白白浪费掉。

Sarah

Wow. I am not sure I could do that. But wait, does he need money for other things? A phone, a car, doctor visits?哇。我不确定我做得到。不过等等,他别的地方就不需要钱吗?打电话、开车、看病?

Mike

He has no job, no bank account, and no car. He does not take government help, and he does not pay taxes.他没有工作,没有银行账户,也没有车。他不接受政府补助,也不交税。

Sarah

Hold on. No job, no home, no money. That sounds like being homeless. Is he just a man who takes from others?等等。没工作、没家、没钱,听起来就像无家可归。他是不是就是个靠别人接济的人?

Mike

That is a fair question, and some people say exactly that. They call him a freeloader. But others say he gives back.这个问题问得好,确实有人这么说。他们叫他"白吃白喝的人"。但也有人说他是有回报的。

Sarah

Gives back how? If he has no money, what can he give?怎么回报?如果他没有钱,他能给什么?

Mike

He volunteers, he helps friends, and he shares whatever he finds. He is not a hermit. He is part of his community and even writes a blog.他做志愿者,帮朋友,找到什么就分享什么。他不是隐士。他是社区的一份子,甚至还写博客。

Sarah

Wait, a blog? But a blog needs a computer and the internet. That costs money!等等,博客?可写博客需要电脑和网络。那都要花钱啊!

Mike

Good catch. He uses a computer at a friend's place or at a library. You can live without money and still be part of the modern world.观察得很细。他用朋友的电脑或者图书馆的电脑。你可以不用钱生活,同时仍然和现代世界保持连接。

Sarah

Okay, that makes sense. So why did he start? There must be a story behind it.好吧,有道理。那他为什么会开始?背后一定有故事。

Mike

There is. Before this, he felt trapped and unhappy. He was even depressed for a while. He said he was sick of the endless race for money.有的。在这之前,他感到被困住、不快乐,甚至一度抑郁。他说他厌倦了为钱无休止地奔波。

Sarah

So it was not about being lazy. It was about wanting to be free.所以这不是因为懒,而是因为想要自由。

Mike

Right. And here is the idea that changed everything for him. He says money only exists because we all agree that it does.对。还有一个彻底改变了他的想法。他说,金钱之所以存在,只是因为我们都同意它存在。

Sarah

Hmm, think about it. A dollar bill is just paper. A number in an app is just a number. We all just believe in it.嗯,想想看。一美元纸币不过是一张纸。App 里的一个数字不过是个数字。我们只是都相信它而已。

Mike

Exactly. We believe in it so strongly that we spend most of our lives chasing it.正是。我们如此坚定地相信它,以至于把一生大部分时间都用来追逐它。

Sarah

So is money the villain here? Should we all quit money too?那钱就是坏蛋吗?我们是不是也都不该用钱了?

Mike

Not at all. Daniel himself says he is not asking anyone to copy him. Money is a tool. A hammer is not good or bad. The problem is when the tool runs your whole life.完全不是。丹尼尔自己说,他没有让任何人照做。金钱是个工具。锤子本身没有好坏。问题在于当这个工具支配了你的整个人生。

Sarah

I like that. So the lesson is not "quit money". It is "do not let money own you".我喜欢这个说法。所以重点不是"放弃金钱",而是"别让金钱拥有你"。

Mike

Well said. But there is one more part that really surprised me.说得好。不过还有一点真的让我很意外。

Sarah

Of course there is. What is it?当然有。是什么?

Mike

Our whole society is built so that you have to have money. In his words, it is almost illegal to live outside the system. You need money for a home, for official papers, for almost everything.我们整个社会就是建立在"你必须有钱"之上的。用他的话说,想活在系统之外几乎是不合法的。你需要钱才能有住所、有各种证件,几乎办任何正式的事都需要钱。

Sarah

So the strangest thing is not that one man lives without money. It is that our world makes it so hard to try.所以最奇怪的,不是一个人不用钱生活,而是我们的世界让这种尝试变得如此困难。

Mike

That is it. Maybe the most surprising thing about Daniel is not Daniel at all. It is us, and how much power we gave to a piece of paper.就是这样。也许关于丹尼尔最令人意外的,根本不是丹尼尔,而是我们自己——我们给了那张纸多大的权力。

Sarah

That is a strange thought to carry all day. Friends, could you go one day without spending any money? Try it and tell us how it goes. See you next time!这个念头够你想一整天的。朋友们,你能一整天不花一分钱吗?试试看,然后告诉我们结果,我们下期见!

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